"Titanic... sunk because one man said that God himself can't sink this ship". Amazing and bizarre, is it not?

Icarus62 - 2007-09-16 15:17:19 - Religion Spirituality

I find it hard to understand the staggering illogicality and sheer moral repugnance in this statement from one of our fellow contributors. Several hundred innocent men, women and children had to die because one man said something that God was a little put out about? What kind of mind comes up with such breathtaking absurdity? Live To Tell: Indeed...

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The Fundie mind comes up with this kind of a statement. This is what passes for Christian "thought." They are so blinded by their desire to show how powerful "god" is, that they are incapable of understanding what this statement really says about their "god." They have been so numbed and jaded by the unspeakable and relentless cruelty, vengeance, violence and killing in the bible, that they feel that sinking the Titanic is a perfectly normal and acceptable way for "god" to display "his" power. The innocent people who drowned are of no consequence whatsoever. The moral repugnance that you mention is only equalled by the sheer idiocy of the whole idea.

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Would YOU cay General Boykin is the perfect example of a modern day "Christian Crusader" ? Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin, is a much-decorated and twice-wounded veteran of covert military operations. From the bloody 1993 clash with Muslim warlords in Somalia chronicled in "Black Hawk Down" and the the ill-fated attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran in 1980, Boykin was in the thick of things. Boykin had advised for the gas attack on barricaded cultists at Waco, Texas. He also had lost 18 men in Somalia trying to capture a warlord in the notorious Black Hawk Down fiasco of 1993. Discussing the battle against a Muslim warlord in Somalia, Boykin told another audience, "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." "We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," Boykin said last year. He was at the heart of a secret operation to "Gitmoize" (Guantánamo is known in the US as Gitmo) the Abu Ghraib prison. His beliefs of the battle between good and evil led to the Abu Ghraib scandel where guards ignored the geneva conventions concerning crimes against humanity in the battle against "evil". Just before Boykin was put in charge of the hunt for Osama bin Laden and then inserted into Iraqi prison reform, he was a circuit rider for the religious right. He allied himself with a small group called the Faith Force Multiplier that advocates applying military principles to evangelism. Its manifesto - Warrior Message - summons "warriors in this spiritual war for souls of this nation and the world ... " Boykin staged a travelling slide show around the country where he displayed pictures of Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. "Satan wants to destroy this nation, he wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a Christian army," he preached. They "will only be defeated if we come against them in the name of Jesus". It was the reporting of his remarks at a revival meeting in Oregon that made them a subject of brief controversy. There can be little doubt that he envisages the global war on terror as a crusade. With the Geneva conventions apparently suspended, international law is supplanted by biblical law. Boykin is in God's chain of command. President Bush, he told an Oregon congregation last June, is "a man who prays in the Oval Office". And the president, too, is on a divine mission. "George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the US. He was appointed by God." Boykin is not unique in his belief that Bush is God's anointed against evildoers. Before his 2000 campaign, Bush confided to a leader of the religious right: "I feel like God wants me to run for president ... I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen." Look at this Crusaders Record : 1. 1980 Iran hostage rescue failure. 2. 1993 Somalia Black Hawk Down Fiasco 3. Waco Texas massacre 4. Abu Ghraib torture was from his GITMO program .

I'll bet as the first temple in Jerusalem had its cornerstone laid, someone said "Let the heathens try to knock this down, it is god's holy house." Moral : God doesn't worry about what people say.

consider the source--they believe God dunked the whole planet once upon a time--they're no doubt disappointed that the Titanic tragedy wasn't nearly as bad

Someone also said that the lead singer of AC/DC died because he sang "Highway to Hell." Please, if God were killing people who were making remarks like the one about the Titanic, people would be dropping like flies.

they like to say things like that because they think it validates there god as real, when in fact it mearly points up the fact that he isnt. if he were a lot more people would be dead, think about how many times someone has said "or may god strike me dead". hell there is a song by a band called carnivore called " god is dead" the lead singer did another song called F*** you god, and he is alive and doing resonably well.

Sad but true. However keep in mind those people that got on the Titanic that day heard this statement and had a choice as to travel on the Demonic Ship or get themselves safe off and on shore. The Children that died are now in Heaven with the Lord and rejoicing around the Throne. The others, I fear to think of where they may be. Me myself, I would not have step foot or and ship that someone had made such a statement about. "It is dangerous to fall into the hands of an Angry God."

Did you think that hundreds of men, women, and children had to die because there were only enough life boats for half the passengers on the boat?? Hmmm, ironic

I guess gaud must have taken a liking to Richard Dawkins British charm because he sure has let him live a long time.

really, and here i thought that it had something to do with useing the French made Rivets and iron that were not tempered for the extreemly cold water which made the hull of the ship brittle and weak. also the fact aht the whole thing happened because of a tragic flaw in design...not having the flood barriers extend all the way up. allowed the front of the ship to fill with water, then tip to a point where the water would run over the floodwall and continue to pull the boat under..... god did not sink that boat... an overzealous capitan (whom ordered full speed ahead) while holding the iceberg warning. in an attempt to make the fastest crossing of the Atlantic. sank that ship. it did not take god, it took an idiot and an iceberg.

The Fundie mind comes up with this kind of a statement. This is what passes for Christian "thought." They are so blinded by their desire to show how powerful "god" is, that they are incapable of understanding what this statement really says about their "god." They have been so numbed and jaded by the unspeakable and relentless cruelty, vengeance, violence and killing in the bible, that they feel that sinking the Titanic is a perfectly normal and acceptable way for "god" to display "his" power. The innocent people who drowned are of no consequence whatsoever. The moral repugnance that you mention is only equalled by the sheer idiocy of the whole idea.

I guess we shouldn't presume to know what God is or isn't going to do and refrain from putting him in a box. Always remember: a lone amateur built the Ark; it took professionals to build the Titanic.